Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

rob316 wrote: »

They'll give them the money but it'll fix nothing nurses will be just getting paid more to compensate for poor conditions.

It's a start, and I can guarantee where nursing levels improve so do patient care. I have heard do much about the Australian health system for years and how the high nurse to patient ratios contribute to improved outcomes for patients there. Nurses will fight to improve standards for patients, that is what we always do, but being ground down persistently and undermined is leading to high levels of burnout in senior nurses, and it's very hard to be an advocate when your own working conditions are poor.

noodler wrote: »

I'm disappointed by the lack of analytical thought by, seemingly, the majority of the public.

When did 36k become a bad starting salary?

Nobody is really basing their support on anything other than a general believe that they are underpaid and there is a retention issue when there is vast evidence to the contrary.

What's more, there have been nurse pay rises every year since 2016, and again this year as part of PS deals. Ignoring annual increments.

Just saying they should be paid more because, is serious slippery slope stuff.

The attacks on individual ministers and politicians all over social media is borderline pathetic. You'd swear being a TD or a minister was an 9-5 job, or even being a Minister.

Pay increases the whole public sector gets causing a rabble when they are applied to politicians etc.

Its just disappointing how populism runs rampant over the country when we've been spending like mad the last few years.

What is happening with modern society, is that kindness is valued more than truth.

noodler wrote: »

I'm disappointed by the lack of analytical thought by, seemingly, the majority of the public.

When did 36k become a bad starting salary?

Nobody is really basing their support on anything other than a general believe that they are underpaid and there is a retention issue when there is vast evidence to the contrary.

What's more, there have been nurse pay rises every year since 2016, and again this year as part of PS deals. Ignoring annual increments.

Just saying they should be paid more because, is serious slippery slope stuff.

The attacks on individual ministers and politicians all over social media is borderline pathetic. You'd swear being a TD or a minister was an 9-5 job, or even being a Minister.

Pay increases the whole public sector gets causing a rabble when they are applied to politicians etc.

Its just disappointing how populism runs rampant over the country when we've been spending like mad the last few years.

Most sensible point of the thread right here. We can’t base pay increases on emotional blackmail, especially in a state that was bankrupt only a few years ago.
It’s lunacy hysteria on a grand scale

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Your claim was that you saw no other evidence for salary other than 57k.

I gave you many sources of evidence. What more do you want?

When you have thousands of nurses across a dozen grades with various levels of education, experience, qualifications and roles, with overtime, allowances and other sources of income, it can be difficult to get a straight answer.

57k is the average published by the department of public expenditure and reform.

One of the big budgeting problems is the gross variably in salary payout. As is the case with a few public sector jobs, the basic salary is used to calculate other payments that effect the actual salary payout for budget.

The compromise might be possible to pay nurses a higher base salary, but with removal of other allowances and overtime payments . That would allow nurses a better distribution of the average salary, but keep total budget with a more modest increase.

I find it difficult not to support nurses, but their salary claim appears too high IMHO. Easy say that on boards, but difficult to say in public. I can see this rolling on.

While other jobs in private sector pay a higher salary, take home pay is comparable as in private sector there are fewer allowances or variable payout. Many private sector jobs take an all in approach to getting job done with the basic salary. Rightly or wrongly.

noodler wrote: »

I'm disappointed by the lack of analytical thought by, seemingly, the majority of the public.

Feelings >>>>>>>>> Facts.

Miike wrote: »

Do you think nurses are being unreasonable asking to be paid the extra 12% so that they're on the same level as other healthcare team members like OT Physio or Social Work?

Nurses have objectively tougher jobs than all of the above and have longer working weeks. This rhetoric of BUT THEY HAVE OVERTIME! AND PREMIUMS! is ****ing bananas. So does everyone else in the HSE.

Are taxpayers being unreasonable to expect a proper service, and not have the necessity for the cost of health insurance to get timely healthcare,
Public servants seem to ignore the bonus of their pension, granted they have contributed to it but there is no pension provider that will give them such a generous pension based on their meagre contributions

facehugger99 wrote: »

Feelings >>>>>>>>> Facts.

It's unbelievable. I was just listening to a podcast this morning, from before the strike, a woman whose father was in hospital was supporting the striking nurses. She said that whilst in hospital, he had had an accident resulting in surgery, but that the nurses were angels and deserved everything and more- that the care he was getting was second to none. I thought, literally, it's second to none- second to no care at all, negligence. I would be suing the hospital!

There certainly should be nurses of varying degrees of qualification but specialization should be done on a necessity basis. It seems to me that any nurse can train for management and then are paid as such because they have that qualification. Of course we need more nurses on the wards, more than we need the salary to be higher. I don't think there was ever a need for standard nursing to require a degree, and to be honest, I'd feel the same about teaching.

People aren't becoming nurses because they care about anyone. It's an in demand skill with guaranteed employment, and ample opportunity to work abroad- once everyone wakes up to that fact we'll be alot better off.

Can't see the government budging on this.

All out strike with no nurses on the wards would bring things to a swift conclusion.

1641 wrote:

An element of dysfunctionality is not good but how we would welcome it in our health service. It is systematically dysfunctional.

Our health care systems is already dysfunctional, just like many others around the world. It's clearly obvious that we re experiencing a period of rapid asset price inflation v's low wage inflation, maintaining this will just add further dysfunction to our system. Wages is only one aspect of this debate, but sadly it's becoming the most domanant topic, resources, or lack of, probably should be the most domanant topic of discussion.

wrangler wrote: »

Public servants seem to ignore the bonus of their pension, granted they have contributed to it but there is no pension provider that will give them such a generous pension based on their meagre contributions

PS pay 6.5% pension cont plus up to 10% PRD.

I would not call that meagre.

I accept that the pension is good.